i volunteered for one summer, larry, at united way, you donate a dollar to united way, 90 cents gets down to the beneficiary. right now we're spending up to $60,000 and if you add up the value, we could write a check to every family on welfare for $60,000, but it's inefficient because of government salaries and bureaucracies and so forth. the private sector relies on volunteers. that's why it's far more efficient. 1871, the city of chicago burned down, it was rebuilt with almost complete private money. they came in from all over the world. it was handled with some government bureaucrat, but by and large, the whole city was rebuilt with private money. it can be done without government. >> it could be done without government. you know what? it would be a heck of a free market experiment. it would also be a great socially compassionate experiment too. anyway, larry elder, as always, thanks very much. >>> now, to my very strong warning to politicians in washington, d.c. it's a strong warning. please, don't shut down the government, don't shut down the debt ceiling, i have a much better w